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You may need to incorporate some sort of flexible joint to allow for engine movement when it’s running.

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cava454 wrote:

Freshen it up. Flattops. 10:1 and a 286 cam wth bannas.

 

Yuk.  wrong manifold for that cam.  Will choke it just as it really starts to come on.

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This is probably a question better asked on the AV8 forum where there are a lot experienced guys with these sorts of engines/setups.

 

Standard initial timing on a 308 is 6°BTDC however it’ll probably run better with a little more initial timing.  IT really comes down to the cam/compression you have as well as the fuel you are running.

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All the aftermarket OTR CAI have the filter element in front of the radiator like this

 

The best and easiest way is probably for you to do something similar between the grill before it turns up to the bonnet.

 

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I’d not recommend it, stock injectors are about 19lbs so with 36lbs injectors and the stock tune you will be getting almost twice as much fuel as is required which won’t be good for the motor.

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Did you change the injectors?  If you have changed the injectors I wouldn’t recommend driving it as it will be over-fueling due to the larger injectors.  It might be ok to move it around etc but certainly don’t get up into boost territory as the tune won’t recognize the boost and won’t add fuel for it.

Send the chip back to Raptor as it must have corrupted when it was burnt.  It does happen occasionally unfortunately.

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Never looked but surely there must be something out there.

 

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That could work very nicely.  Just don’t cut up a genuine HSV grill, get a copy/replica unit.

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I’ve never been a fan of the twin nostril type bonnet scoops.  As above, a small reverse scoop or HDT VL style scoop would be the go.  Something like this…

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doz10 wrote:

Does anyone know if there is any advantage to plating the front arms?

That’s a bloody good question!

I guess it would depend on how hard the car is driven and what other mods are done.  There are probably other things you can do to improve handling before you would need to box out the front lower control arms.

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Definitely a good score

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You’re probably best off talking to Tazzi on the PCMhack forum, he’s knows his way around these problems and he has software that can link bcm/pcm/keys etc.

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cava454 wrote:

Immortality wrote:

cava454 wrote:

The mouldings and paper work got thrown out. I don’t believe any technically owns them. Making a full manifold would be very costly. I know flow craft require 30 customers who have fully paid before he makes his. They could be made. But it would run into the 10’s of thousands of dollars before even one was ready. james just wants one for his bottom half as his plenum is a ling long job.

You can’t really compare the cost of manufacturing a product today to when flowcraft did their version of the manifold, costs have greatly changed and once you have a set of molds the costs come down considerably for any following production runs. I’d suggest the casting facility probably has a minimum run/cost and flowcraft probably don’t want to produce 30 manifolds and have 20 sitting on the shelf for any period of time, the profit margin is probably quiet good too these days per manifold. Personally I’d be happy to get hold of a lower and then fabricate the upper, it’s not a hugely complicated design.

he told me this 2-3years ago. Manufacturing them isn’t cheap and it’s not worth his wild unless his got min 30 sold.

 

Yes, comes back to economy of scale.

The casting facility would have a cost/price per unit and casting only 5 would be very expensive, there is probably also a fixed cost too per production run.  Even the Chinese have these sorts of things but just cheaper than our local manufacturers ( Back when I was working in automotive retail we were constantly getting approached by Chinese manufacturers).

Just look at what our favorite Aussie car parts copier/manufacturer does, can copy an Aussie made product, manufacture in China and sell copies for AU$200-300 per manifold……

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cava454 wrote:

He already has a fabricated one. It looks rubbish. Why does everyone think his going to make 100’s of plenums. He just wants a one off

Yes, we are all well aware but either casting a one off or making it from billet won’t be cheap (as per my original post).

Yes, his is fabricated but it doesn’t look anything like the original, one could be fabricated to look stock and with a little work and a coat of paint it could be made to look very close to the original.

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cava454 wrote:

The mouldings and paper work got thrown out. I don’t believe any technically owns them. Making a full manifold would be very costly. I know flow craft require 30 customers who have fully paid before he makes his. They could be made. But it would run into the 10’s of thousands of dollars before even one was ready. james just wants one for his bottom half as his plenum is a ling long job.

You can’t really compare the cost of manufacturing a product today to when flowcraft did their version of the manifold, costs have greatly changed and once you have a set of molds the costs come down considerably for any following production runs.

I’d suggest the casting facility probably has a minimum run/cost and flowcraft probably don’t want to produce 30 manifolds and have 20 sitting on the shelf for any period of time, the profit margin is probably quiet good too these days per manifold.

Personally I’d be happy to get hold of a lower and then fabricate the upper, it’s not a hugely complicated design.

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I guess it also depends on HSV or whom-ever owns the original castings/rights etc.

I’d think you’d need to do more than a small run with the demand there would be for these manifolds, I’m sure there would be money in it for whom-ever pulls it off.

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A “one off” is never cheap no matter what fabrication method you use.

 

A quality copy that was reasonably priced would sell well after all the Grp A manifold is still one of the best EFI manifolds about for the humble 304.  I’d certainly be keen on one.

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What Meth injection system are you running?

Thinking of using Meth injection on the missus L67 Calais.

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Black bumpers always did suit the VN

Very tidy 

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Yep, there are a few of us on that forum

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