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  • #10640
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    Ive got a set of senator seats to go into my car and just wondering what people have done about the rear headrest brackets.  Do they need to be attached to the body or have people just left them off? If they have been put on how were they done. I have attached a pic of the bracket im taking about.

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    I neve had brackets. I just put the head rests in.

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    Yea mate they bolt through the rear sheet metal bulkhead behind the seat through those two 10mm holes. I sat in the boot to bolt mine up.  I may have a pic not sure let me see if i can find one for ya.

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    Thanks that would be great

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    Not the greatest pic, but you can see the two holes each side.

     

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    I have had one come out when I did a tip in  so now they cable tied

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    My VS Hsv Manta ones are bolted in with some m8 (possibly m10) bolts by memory, you can just see one in this photo, managed to make it bigger

    defiantly put them in properly, i recon you will damage the rear foams otherwise

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    Thanks guys, exactly the answers I was looking for

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    I had brackets but never attached them. Never had any issues with mine but no burnouts/donuts/drifting etc. They were pretty tight. Think securing the bracket would be more important of you intend on moving headrests up and down so it doesn’t damage the seat. No one ever sat on mine so no danger there.

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    You need to fit them otherwise in an accident the pins could impale someone. Thats why they are bolted/welded in.

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    Yea I agree, I reckon from a safety point of view worth attaching them, they are there for a reason.  Btw, I could have been wrong above, they may have been M8 bolts :)

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    They have brackets mounted to the rear bulkhead.  They are the same as the brackets used in the Caprice (except the Caprice ones are spot-welded into place).

    Granges & other models fitted with the rear seats that have the seperate headrests are like this.

    The brackets go in first, then the seats go in, then the headrest retaining tubes are fitted down into place before finally inserting the headrest.
    I would recommend not fitting the circlips into the top of the tubes!  The tubes are the same as what is under the trim on the front seats too – same piece from VN-VS.

    I put the rear seats out of a VS2 Grange into a mate’s VR (redid the side wings to suit the sedan).  We got the brackets from the donor car, along with the trim.

    Here’s pics of the brackets:


    The rolled over edge on the top allows you to locate it on the rear bulkhead, but you still have to align them side-to-side.

    The holes go through the pressed ridge in the boot side of the bulkhead, as shown in the 2 pics below:


    Bolted up in place.  The washers on the back allow you to bolt them down securely, and still tighten the nuts up.

    You’ll have buckleys of finding the HSV ones.  They are the ‘raw’ ones before they are spot welded into the Caprice.  So the next best bet is to source them from a VR/VS Caprice.

    Here’s a donor car we got another set from.  You can see where they were in one pic, and the other pic shows the swiss cheese job – drilling out all the spot welds to release them off the bulkhead.


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    You will notice the bolt holes are drilled into the reinforced part of the panel too for strength.

     

     

    In a severe accident the head goes back with force into the head rest/restraint.  If they are not secured the inertia of the head against it can be enough to push the metal pins into someones back and impale them that’s why they need to be secured. It could act as a projectile as well. Just my 2 cents.

     

     

     

    We were also looking at welding the bolt to the plate makes removal later much easier. So you can undo nut from the boot making much easier to remove the seat

     

     

     

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    Funny how they weld one model, and bolt others, my manta ones were out of a very original manta, and they were bolted in, and by brackets were bare steel, they had a bit of surface rust on them when I had to pull them back out after a few months so I cleaned them up and painted them

    i still can’t work out why a vs manta which is a base model HSV gets the VR senator rear seat setup

    Does anyone else find the plastic tubes that fit in the bracket and hold the headrests up a real pain to remove when pulling the seats out, I made up a “tool” to remove them, using a slightly cut down silicone nozel tip

     

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    #10725
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    That’s a fantastic write up Sands, great stuff.  I wish I had seen this before putting mine back together, took me a while to work out the way to do it is tubes last :good:

    “The brackets go in first, then the seats go in, then the headrest retaining tubes are fitted down into place before finally inserting the headrest.”

     

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    Great Post Sands, good info!

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    So glad I found this Thread. I just picked up a (almost) full set of the HSV Devonish Seats & door cards for the VS Commy. I was wondering about those rear head rest brackets as the guy selling them just said “you’ll work it out it’s easy”.

    The set was missing the rear passengers door card, so I’m hoping I can find a good auto trimmer in WA who can replicate one for me.

    The tubes do look like they would be a pain later when wanting to take the seats out. Might have to look at making “The special removal tool” too.

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    Good stuff, that’s why forums are so good.  They are a good place to store knowledge/info like this.  Btw you got a build thread on your car mate?

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    Good stuff, that’s why forums are so good. They are a good place to store knowledge/info like this. Btw you got a build thread on your car mate?

    No build thread yet. I should start one soon as I am getting close to putting the VS Commy off the road to add the mountain of parts I have compiled for it. Some that know me know it has been a very very long time coming or still coming lol.

    I might try transferring stuff over from the other forum that looks to be almost dead now.

     

    Cheers

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