VS Manta #218

[ImmortalityParticipant 97 HSV Senator 185i 02 VX L67 Calais View build HERE Member since: August 31, 2015 Posts: 535]

Looking good 

What was the final size/offset on those rear rims?

[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

They really suit that mate, they really look great.  Is it just my eye or have you got camber issues too on the rears?

[cava454Moderator 93 VR BT1 View build HERE Member since: February 20, 2015 Posts: 2 390]

How do those tires handle in the wet and dry. They looks very circuit (need to get up to temp) orientated. You need to sort out some center caps also.

[vs manta 218Participant Vs hsv manta View build HERE Member since: March 2, 2015 Posts: 796]

I have twisted that camber kits around matching it to other side and twisting them seeing what there measurments are when in different posistions when measuring tyres and at the moment it is cambered in 5mm more then drivers side witch i havent touched

 

I have also pulled pulled front struts in to about 3 degrees as i have adjustable top mounts

 

Because the car gets driven so little im goin to run a bit of camber on it something like 2+ degrees as i really couldnt give a shit about tyres and would prefeer handling

Yes centre caps are in the works

 

Goin to get mate leon to machin me some up and goin to get imbroidery mod to engrave HSV symbol into them

[vs manta 218Participant Vs hsv manta View build HERE Member since: March 2, 2015 Posts: 796]

Go no idea how they handle yet

 

Car doesnt get driven in the wet and if it ever suprise rains on me i baby it home so will never know about the wet

 

In the dry they are a bit of a track tyre so will be interesting how they handle

[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

vs manta 218 wrote:

Goin to get mate leon to machin me some up and goin to get imbroidery mod to engrave HSV symbol into them

You know someone who could design you up a custom set and 3D print them…

[Anonymous View build HERE Member since: January 1, 1970 Posts: 0]

Looks mint   You gotta love it when a plan works out!

 

[vs manta 218Participant Vs hsv manta View build HERE Member since: March 2, 2015 Posts: 796]

Immorality there 18 by 8 @ 40p and 18 by 10 @ 31p

 

what would they made of if you printed them Gary ??

 

Yes this one has worked out well

 

something that was odd that I mentioned to Gary on a phone call a while back was left and right off sets want to be different

 

on drivers side it wanted to be 29p and passenger side wanted to be 33p

 

that is to keep a 295 tyre in exact centre with like 6 mm clearance from the inner gaurd where back seat would be on other side of it and highest point of outer gaurd

 

dont know if it’s just my car or if they are all like that but myn was

[ImmortalityParticipant 97 HSV Senator 185i 02 VX L67 Calais View build HERE Member since: August 31, 2015 Posts: 535]

Have you had the rear subframe out?

Holden have a special tool to centre the whole subframe/diff to the chassis so maybe your’s needs a slight adjustment?

 

I’m also lead to believe that using the adjustable camber/toe bush kits can alter the wheel track as well so getting a wheel alignment done may help solve the problem.

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[vs manta 218Participant Vs hsv manta View build HERE Member since: March 2, 2015 Posts: 796]

I distroyed the orgional sub frame in this car, split 3/4 the way around it

 

had this one in and out a few times but I really can not see how it could be adjusted, when them 2 big bolt go in there is no moving it anywhere at  all

 

i have heard ears this with ford sub frames as well but again I can not see anyway it could be adjusted at all

 

The car tracks nice and straight so I’m not concerned

[vs manta 218Participant Vs hsv manta View build HERE Member since: March 2, 2015 Posts: 796]

It does a bit yes but moving the passenger side for a hour I could not get it to match the drivers side lol

 

even measuring from back door to rim on both sides it’s different by about 5mm

[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

Yea we spoke about this didn’t we Pete, I think its just manufacturing tolerances of when all the panels go together.  Lets face it 6mm from one whole side of a car to the other isn’t that much for a car built in the early 90s.  My car side to side measured pretty equal, and I do see what you mean about moving the sub frame, its pretty fixed.  What i didn’t realize until Pete pointed it out is how on the passenger side the front of where the spare is in the boot sticks out a bit and needs to be massage back a little for clearance on bump.

When I made the center caps for Jake I made them out of ABS, he then sanded and painted them and they came up mint.

[cava454Moderator 93 VR BT1 View build HERE Member since: February 20, 2015 Posts: 2 390]

I’m waiting for the send off for the old tires

[ImmortalityParticipant 97 HSV Senator 185i 02 VX L67 Calais View build HERE Member since: August 31, 2015 Posts: 535]

To adjust the subframe you need to loosen of the main bolt that holds the subframe bush but you also need to loosen the 3 bolts that holds the subframe bush to the chassis (on each side) as this is where the movement occurs.  Don’t forget to loosen off the 4 bolts for the diff mount.

Send my your email addy and I’ll give you a copy of the factory info for doing the subframe, it’s for the VT/VX but the principles are the same.

BTW, those centre caps looks awesome Gary 

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[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

Immortality wrote:

Send my your email addy and I’ll give you a copy of the factory info for doing the subframe, it’s for the VT/VX but the principles are the same. 

Any way to post that info up on the forum mate, I for one would love to check it out.  After I first did my car I took it to a very old school race suspension set up guy to get a base line for the front & rears.  Now you have me wondering if he did the rear alignment without me knowing and that’s why mine is even?

Immortality wrote:

BTW, those centre caps looks awesome Gary

I was really happy with how the design evolved, that was back in the SC days.  Jake though organized the painting etc so deserves a lot of the credit, I reckon they turned out great.

And remember they can be fully custom, whatever you want, I toyed with the idea of making a set of mine with HSV454 in them.

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[ImmortalityParticipant 97 HSV Senator 185i 02 VX L67 Calais View build HERE Member since: August 31, 2015 Posts: 535]

I have sent you a PM

 

VRSenator065 wrote:

Immortality wrote:

Send my your email addy and I’ll give you a copy of the factory info for doing the subframe, it’s for the VT/VX but the principles are the same.

Any way to post that info up on the forum mate, I for one would love to check it out. After I first did my car I took it to a very old school race suspension set up guy to get a base line for the front & rears. Now you have me wondering if he did the rear alignment without me knowing and that’s why mine is even?

Immortality wrote:

BTW, those centre caps looks awesome Gary

I was really happy with how the design evolved, that was back in the SC days. Jake though organized the painting etc so deserves a lot of the credit, I reckon they turned out great. And remember they can be fully custom, whatever you want, I toyed with the idea of making a set of mine with HSV454 in them.

[vs manta 218Participant Vs hsv manta View build HERE Member since: March 2, 2015 Posts: 796]

Well took it for a drive last night, the car goes hard as

 

so hard that a 3rd to 4th gear change at 7000rpm caused my rear view mirror to snapped off and landed between the passenger seat and centre console lid  where my passenger got it

 

I didn’t even know it broke off till he said why is this mirror here lol

[jlssParticipant tasvr ss View build HERE Member since: May 7, 2015 Posts: 155]

Ha ha. Thats good. Nice work vs manta. Sounds great the new wheels look sweet suit the car loads better. 

[vs manta 218Participant Vs hsv manta View build HERE Member since: March 2, 2015 Posts: 796]

 

 

Few pics of how it sits these days

 

glad photos dont show all my imperfections lol, there is a few of them lol

 

looking back through, yeah Gary we spoke about how tolerances are pretty poor in cars, even today cars can be wicked out of square sometimes, and may speak to you more about the centre caps soon to

 

cars running good, got a new set of head gaskets coming soon along with head studs in preparation of a few more degrees timing coming up soon as we where always concerned about its old tune on 98 so thought better be safe then sorry

 

see If a dirty old Holden built in a shed can crack 500rwkw

 

[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

Mate seriously that looks bloody fantastic. The black wheels and offset just nail it.  Awesome  

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