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September 15, 2017 at 5:07 pm #24465
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TBH this isn’t the first time i’ve heard this about LSX engines.
September 15, 2017 at 5:18 pm #24466
Judge1 Frazer
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VRSenator065 wrote:

Tbh I have never used that button!! If i am just replying on a thread I just type into the open Rely box at the bottom, but if i want to specifically reply to what someone has said with the quote I use the Quote button.

Oh doh that’s how you do it thanks Gary
September 15, 2017 at 5:28 pm #24467
Judge1 Frazer
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wow that’s shocking at least you stripped it now, are these built in oz or usa ..hey cava are the lsa’s like yours built in the same place yours is a crate motor as-well I assume
September 15, 2017 at 8:05 pm #24468
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Heard build quality of crate engines not exactly the best but that is shithouse for coin they cost.
September 16, 2017 at 10:16 am #24469
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Yea I actually think $11.5k for a motor that produces 600 supposedly reliable hp with buckets of torque isn’t that bad at all. But the build quality on this is poor no matter what it cost. Again though just so glad I pulled it when I did. If it had let go i would probably never been able to tell why it did. This way its a relativley inexpensive exercise.

I bought the engine from Chris Milton here in SA and they have a great reputation. I might ring them Monday and just chat to them about whats happened and see if they think there is any point in going to Chevrolet Performance about it.
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September 16, 2017 at 2:38 pm #24473
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Yip you can only try not sure on warranty but it’s either km’s once started or time from delivery but it’s proving it as well be hard I think

11.5 that’s not bad so 12.5 for the lsa is good then
September 16, 2017 at 2:57 pm #24474
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Just cut the oil filter open, cant find anything untoward in it. So have decided though to pull out the oil cooling system, and filter and lines and flush them all out and clean them thoroughly. Have also decided to strip down the K frame and get it powder coated as when I got everything done, I then had to modify it for sump clearance. Thought I might as well take the opportunity since its out. The other powder coating still looks mint, and the SuperPro bushes also are perfect.
September 16, 2017 at 4:37 pm #24477
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Judge1 Frazer wrote:

wow that’s shocking at least you stripped it now, are these built in oz or usa ..hey cava are the lsa’s like yours built in the same place yours is a crate motor as-well I assume

The lsx is a crate engine where as the LSA is a factory engine. So the build quality should be very different. I hope.

Id also totally flush all the oil system, good call on that. I’d call up the supplier, you might of owned it 3 years but I’m sure you would be able to prove how long it’s actaully been running and how many km’s it’s done. Fair to say under 5000km?
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September 16, 2017 at 4:53 pm #24479
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Wouldn’t hold much hope of any sort of warranty due to the type of engine and how many Tuners have had a crack at it…
September 16, 2017 at 8:21 pm #24480
Judge1 Frazer
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cava454 wrote:

Judge1 Frazer wrote:

wow that’s shocking at least you stripped it now, are these built in oz or usa ..hey cava are the lsa’s like yours built in the same place yours is a crate motor as-well I assume

The lsx is a crate engine where as the LSA is a factory engine. So the build quality should be very different. I hope. Id also totally flush all the oil system, good call on that. I’d call up the supplier, you might of owned it 3 years but I’m sure you would be able to prove how long it’s actaully been running and how many km’s it’s done. Fair to say under 5000km?

So Cava do you know where both engines get built I just assumed same place
September 16, 2017 at 8:44 pm #24481
VRSenator065
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Yea I don’t hold out much hope either but worth the question. My guess is 3000km max, prob closer to 2000.
September 16, 2017 at 10:44 pm #24483
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Joint you bought engine off probably know qc of the crate engines can be questionable…bloke at cars under stars down here pulled his 454R down still brand new found swarf inside,uneven deck heights etc…only did that ‘cos he wanted to gas it.
September 16, 2017 at 11:26 pm #24485
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Judge1 Frazer wrote:

cava454 wrote:

Judge1 Frazer wrote:

wow that’s shocking at least you stripped it now, are these built in oz or usa ..hey cava are the lsa’s like yours built in the same place yours is a crate motor as-well I assume

The lsx is a crate engine where as the LSA is a factory engine. So the build quality should be very different. I hope. Id also totally flush all the oil system, good call on that. I’d call up the supplier, you might of owned it 3 years but I’m sure you would be able to prove how long it’s actaully been running and how many km’s it’s done. Fair to say under 5000km?

So Cava do you know where both engines get built I just assumed same place [/quote

Factory engine will be Mexico somewhere. LSX is aftermarket so who knows.
September 17, 2017 at 11:09 am #24486
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LSx is Chevrolet Performance, that is Chevrolet’s Performance division.. Its not aftermarket.
September 17, 2017 at 1:52 pm #24487
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Shit to see that after all the time and effort you put into getting this car right that the engine is out and in bits already. BUT, it could have been much worse and it’s given you a good excuse to put it back together bigger and better than ever. Gotta look on the bright side of these little challenges. Seems like everything else you control yourself works out well so I don’t see why this will be any different!
September 17, 2017 at 5:05 pm #24488
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Anonymous wrote:

Shit to see that after all the time and effort you put into getting this car right that the engine is out and in bits already. BUT, it could have been much worse and it’s given you a good excuse to put it back together bigger and better than ever. Gotta look on the bright side of these little challenges. Seems like everything else you control yourself works out well so I don’t see why this will be any different!

yea agree 100%. Could have so much worse. And is a good excuse to make more power 😀
September 17, 2017 at 7:32 pm #24492
Judge1 Frazer
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I like hearing that more power yes yes and yes
September 17, 2017 at 10:22 pm #24495
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Who are you using for powder coating Gary? I need to get my spare k-frame done soon as well.
September 18, 2017 at 9:55 am #24499
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I was just planning to go back to the people I used before who did a great job, Wickes Steve & Sons Pty Ltd, 555 Main North Rd, Gepps Cross 8262 4673. Plan on dropping it to them today at lunchtime.
September 18, 2017 at 11:50 am #24500
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I slightly marked the paint on the bonnet cutting the vents (not sure how), and I had actually picked up a couple of stone chips since it was painted, so given the engines out I decided to get Frank to repaint the bonnet. Looks like he has still got his sense of humour

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