VR Senator with LSx454

[firebugParticipant Newcastle NSWL67 Gemini & Pathfinder Ti 550 View build HERE Member since: May 7, 2015 Posts: 89]

VRSenator065 wrote:

Yea, wont lie, rethinking this.

Phew…

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[Dan811Participant SE Melbourne02 Monaro M6 LS1 View build HERE Member since: March 4, 2015 Posts: 124]

As above ^^^

I know you favour function over form, but after having spent so much time preserving the clean look of this car those scoops would ruin it.

Proper engineering tends to have a beauty of it’s own, and those scoops have none lol. The reverse cowl seems the most obvious and elegant solution, but i think there might be a cleaner way still…..

 

 

If I come up with it i’ll let you know

[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

Might model up another idea and see what people think.  I do appreciate the feedback btw!!

[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

Thoughts?  Maybe looks more pronounced in the CAD than it would be in real life.  More or less two fairly low profile bulges with the fronts opened.  Its pretty basic at the moment, in real life would maybe blend the rear nicer, or maybe even open up the rear and use them to vent the bonnet.

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[firebugParticipant Newcastle NSWL67 Gemini & Pathfinder Ti 550 View build HERE Member since: May 7, 2015 Posts: 89]

Hmm may as well do monaro nostrils. Would look cleaner than those or reverse cowls imo…

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[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

Well I think I have had a bit of a brain wave on how to achieve what I want.  Bit secret squirrel right now but if I can make it work should be good.  Hopefully get a chance on the week end to have a play.

[Slow355Participant Victoriahectic spec 355 vs ss ute View build HERE Member since: March 2, 2015 Posts: 322]

What about just simple vents in top of the bonnet where the air box sections are. Not a raised scoop.

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[Heron SSVParticipant Central Coast NSW2009 Pajero Exceed 84 VK SL LS3 View build HERE Member since: May 5, 2015 Posts: 585]

I’d keep the bonnet smooth and do a VCM style OTR with an outlet on each end runing to each airbox. You’ve spent so much time and effort in keeping the car looking stock, I think it’d ruin it by putting some kind of scoop on it

[sands vsParticipant vs commodore View build HERE Member since: March 1, 2015 Posts: 619]

Slow355 wrote:

What about just simple vents in top of the bonnet where the air box sections are. Not a raised scoop.

 

Yeah thats was what I was thinking too.

 

 

http://www.justjdmimports.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=157029976

 

you like the vent on the right hand side?

 

 

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[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

^I think the “jdm” in the title of the link says it all.  When I sit and look at the car it just keeps saying to me that doing anything to the bonnet will mess it up.  Let me have a play hopefully on the week end and see what i can come up with.

[sands vsParticipant vs commodore View build HERE Member since: March 1, 2015 Posts: 619]

Heron SSV wrote:

I’d keep the bonnet smooth and do a VCM style OTR with an outlet on each end runing to each airbox. You’ve spent so much time and effort in keeping the car looking stock, I think it’d ruin it by putting some kind of scoop on it

Like this

[Anonymous View build HERE Member since: January 1, 1970 Posts: 0]

Heron SSV wrote:

I’d keep the bonnet smooth and do a VCM style OTR with an outlet on each end runing to each airbox. You’ve spent so much time and effort in keeping the car looking stock, I think it’d ruin it by putting some kind of scoop on it

For what it’s worth this!

[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

That CAI above is the end result I have in mind but…..(yes i know who cares), I care about the look of the engine.  And what I don’t want is it all covered up by a CAI like that.  Once the second airbox goes on that engine all you are going to see is a huge expanse of plastic.  If I wanted that I would buy a modern shitbox.  Now my embryonic cunning plan (that may turn out to be totally unworkable) combines that, with the look I want.

So for example imagine if that were to be fabricated out of say steel and built into the underside of bonnet itself.  So that when it was open it lifted up out of the way, leaving the open topped air boxes, with visible trumpets and 454 cubes of Hugger Orange colored goodness still visible.

Btw, IJ, do you have any details on the bonnet catches you have used on your weapon, I assume they would be street legal as long as I retained the regular secondary catch?  I am thinking on my colored car they would be barely noticeable.

[Anonymous View build HERE Member since: January 1, 1970 Posts: 0]

They’re just AeroCatches Gary, it’s worth paying a bit more for the Genuine ones as they’re glass reinforced, I had the regular ABS ones at first and they didn’t survive 1 Winter…

 

[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

Thanks Ian, will have a look.  Might even confirm with the engineer they are legal.  I may not need them, just a thought at this stage.

So this is a rough as guts layout of what I have in mind.  Not totally sure it will work.  But basically cut through the back of the front bonnet reinforcing bulkhead and use the front cavity as the feed.  Cut an elongated slot on the underneath of the font of the bonnet where it sits above the top of the plastic HSV front grill.   Then cut a corresponding big slot in the top of the HSV plastic grill and use the small senator front as the engine feed.  All smoke and mirrors at this stage, but if it works might be clean and simple.

[doz10Participant Qld93 VR SS View build HERE Member since: February 9, 2016 Posts: 125]

That’s the best idea I’ve seen so far, it keeps the car looking clean and tidy from the outside and you still have a good looking engine bay, I really hope you can make this work coz it’s a great idea, I mean who ever looks at the underside of the bonnet anyway, let alone if they’re looking at that engine bay

[NickVRParticipant AdelaideVR V8 Exec, VR SS, VF Redline Reserve View build HERE Member since: March 2, 2015 Posts: 264]

I agree, that looks to be a great idea and keeps the OEM look that this car is all about.

With the Aero Catches, I agree with lJ make sure to get good ones. Also with the engineering side you may find you have to get the catches with locks on them. The secondary catch I am not sure of though.

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[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

Cheers guys, going to have a play around on the week end and see if i can get it to work.  It would be I think a nice elegant solution.  Functional too (hopefully)

[cava454Moderator 93 VR BT1 View build HERE Member since: February 20, 2015 Posts: 2 390]

Let’s get to more pressing matters.

Are you racing at Holden nats?

[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

cava454 wrote:

Are you racing at Holden nats?

Nope.

So have had a big play around today and I am starting to think I have come up with a cunning plan.  First off decided to cut the top out of the white bonnet i have so I could more easily see what I was dealing with height wise etc.  Used a nibbler I have for the Kombi, did quite a neat job.  Covered it from head to toe in tarps, rugs etc so I didn’t damage the car at all.

So as per my though above, my idea was to cut up above the HSV front gill into the bonnet, and the back of the front bulkhead of the bonnet to pick up cool air.  It actually looks very workable, although I did do one large slot, which then maybe weakens it a bit too much for the bonnet catch.  So when I do mine for real it will be two slots as shown.

Bear in mind I am doing this all in cardboard, so its not the neatest, I reckon the 3D printer will come into play for some of the transition shapes.  Being able to see it, showed me there is little room as it stands at the front of the air boxes and the under bonnet reinforcing rib.  So I will change the design of the front of the air boxes to come forward a little more and the air will enter more front on.  The rib will slope down at 45 degrees to it marries with the bonnet corresponding part nicely.

I am planning on making the boxes from the bulk head back to the air box a separate bolt in part.  I will use nutserts in the reinforcing ribs.  That way I can maybe consider getting the boxes ceramic coated to help with heat soak.  Have said many times before though I don’t care about a few hp, it lays 11’s at will now, so I’m not fussed.  It will mean though I can fine tune the height a little more easily.

Pretty happy with it I have to say, certainly in my mind shown it could work.  Time will tell I guess.  But this way i end up with no visible bonnet modifications at all.  Thoughts from the CP brains trust??

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