VR Senator with LSx454

[Chris (agentcrm)Participant SC, CTVR Statesman 1968 Skoda 1202 View build HERE Member since: March 2, 2015 Posts: 82]

You’re going to have to pull the steering rack out to get that drivers side one in. There’s barely enough room to fit a set of V6 headers in there without pulling the rack off. (and isn’t for some header designs.)

[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

Chris (agentcrm) wrote:

You’re going to have to pull the steering rack out to get that drivers side one in. There’s barely enough room to fit a set of V6 headers in there without pulling the rack off. (and isn’t for some header designs.)

Well that’s interesting actually, I got onto two guys that have actually got them on fb.  One of them has said what he has done is cut through the flange on the drivers side at the bolt hole, so instead of them being pairs of pipes, they are actually 4 independent ones.  He said then its (relatively) easy to feed each pipe up from underneath without dropping the rack, then do up each pipe snug but not tight on the head, knock on the slip on collector, then lock the flanges up tight.  Actually seems like a very clever way to do it and what I am going to try.  Will post how it goes. 

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[KroozerParticipant Forbes, NSW91 VN SS View build HERE Member since: February 19, 2015 Posts: 336]

cava454 wrote:

I just wanna see a skid…..????

x2 

[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

CAE headers have arrived, have to say the welds and bend quality looks pretty bloody good.  Of course its how well they fit and sit that matters but will see…

[sands vsParticipant vs commodore View build HERE Member since: March 1, 2015 Posts: 619]

Keen to see some close up pics when you get the chance.

What were the signs that the old trans was on its way out?

[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

sands vs wrote:

Keen to see some close up pics when you get the chance. What were the signs that the old trans was on its way out?

Will do, once they are in I will take the proper camera down and get some shots.

I actually planned to do the glide swap even if the trans hadn’t gone, I just knew its was on borrowed time.  It was the boys at Norwoods that picked up on that burnt trans oil smell….

[Anonymous View build HERE Member since: January 1, 1970 Posts: 0]

My guess will be dead/dying 3/4 pack….

[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

Yep, thats what they think.  When i drove it up through the Barossa when i pulled onto the Sturt Highway I gave it a bit of a squirt in top gear, it did slip a llittle, I just think it cant handle the torque.  And yes I could chase rebuilding it with more goodies, but I really think I would be flogging a dead horse 

[Anonymous View build HERE Member since: January 1, 1970 Posts: 0]

Did it ever kick down from 4th to 2nd with the shifter in Drive?

[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

Truthfully, havent been game to give it a bootful when its been in 4th (yet)

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[vs manta 218Participant Vs hsv manta View build HERE Member since: March 2, 2015 Posts: 796]

Yeah definetly flogging g a dead horse with the 4l60e box

 

glide with 150hp wet nos and some radial and this will be sweet as

 

stuff it tune it on MS109 or roo16 fuel as well

 

I’m keen to see the pipes fitted, they look good in pics above

[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

Agreed, i sort of feel whatever i was doing with the 4L65e whenever I hit the loud pedal I would be wondering.  I would love to run nitrous with this manifold.  Could deseign a nice stealthy install.  The pipes look good on first look, will be interesting to see how they fit.

[vs manta 218Participant Vs hsv manta View build HERE Member since: March 2, 2015 Posts: 796]

That manifold just isn’t complete till it has a direct injection system on it

 

hopefully can do direct injection wet kits as that would make it easy with next to no tuning needed

 

just need to pull out 6 or so degrees timing with 150hp or 4 degrees with 100hp

 

dont just hit nos or it might ping with what ever timing it’s running now

[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

Have you seen these?  I am not sure how well they work, but pretty cool idea.  And given I am running the injector spacers anyway, relatively easy install

[vs manta 218Participant Vs hsv manta View build HERE Member since: March 2, 2015 Posts: 796]

They look like a good idea

 

would just need to put a injector above it and test the injector to make sure it doesn’t spray all the fuel on the internal walls of it

[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

Yea that’s a good point, I guess you would want to pick a narrow cone injector.  Its a neat idea though.  If they supplied them in black it would be pretty stealthy

[Dan811Participant SE Melbourne02 Monaro M6 LS1 View build HERE Member since: March 4, 2015 Posts: 124]

vs manta 218 wrote:

That manifold just isn’t complete till it has a direct injection system on it hopefully can do direct injection wet kits as that would make it easy with next to no tuning needed just need to pull out 6 or so degrees timing with 150hp or 4 degrees with 100hp dont just hit nos or it might ping with what ever timing it’s running now

How would you go about pulling timing only when the button/solenoid is pressed? Does the std ECU have the ability to do that?

[vs manta 218Participant Vs hsv manta View build HERE Member since: March 2, 2015 Posts: 796]

I’m not sure

 

I know with the older holden delco ECU it can be done by the power economy button and kalmaker do provide for lots of stuff such as water meth activation, pretty sure you can tune in 2 different tunes using the power economy some how so one with normal timing and one with certain timing pulled out

 

I would imagine there would have to be a way of doin it as lots of LS powered cars have NOS

 

i have EFI live so I would just go in and select every thing above a certain rpm like 3500 as I know when I change gears I’m still above that or if you have a auto just take it from just above the converters rpm and just take out the desired timing for HP of nos, as above its 4 degrees for 100hp and 6 for 150hp (not sure above this HP though) but it all comes on the sheet when you buy a kit

 

best of talking to a tuner about that as different tuning programs can be set up different so it’s not just 1 way of doin it and that will work with efi live, HP tuners and ls1 edit

 

each program may or may not require a different wiring pin to ECU  for some sort of activation switch to know to pull timing out

[VRSenator065Participant Adelaide SAVR Senator LSx454 1960 Kombi (project) 1921 Nash Hot Rod (future project) View build HERE Member since: February 17, 2015 Posts: 5 777]

I am pretty sure you can.  You can also set stuff to trigger I believe on the duty cycle of the injector, so as it rises on demand for more fuel it triggers my fuel pumps to go full output, the timing to change etc etc.  You can also now of course progressively feed in the nos so its not quite such a sledge hammer and loose traction.   This is the area when modern ECU cars just leave carby cars for dead.

If someone knows what they are doing almost anything is possible.  I mean my cars making 600+ hp, and I can literally reach in through the drivers window, turn the key and it starts.  Back in the old days you would be pumping the accelerator, it would cough and fart, and idle like crap until it was warm.

My end goal is ported heads, 13:1, E85, aggressive cam, that should get me around 750 fwhp, then its a 250 shot away from a genuine 1000hp road car.  And that would be fun times

[vs manta 218Participant Vs hsv manta View build HERE Member since: March 2, 2015 Posts: 796]

yep exactly Gary

 

if you got some one who knows what they are doin and can make anything work, you can make programs or operating systems to make stuff work the way you want it to

 

progressive nos, multi step rpm limiters, dual injectors, all sorts of stuff can be done quite easily

 

even though it’s not run of the mill making a trigger point out of injector pulse (or VE table in the tune) it can be done and to the right person quite easily

 

 

that  would be a awesome way to do it as its load detected so the pump doesn’t go flat out while goin back gears as a rpm switch would

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