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March 20, 2017 at 4:44 pm #22086
VRSenator065Participant- Adelaide SA
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Posts: 5 777Hi all, a good mate of mines son Joe is 11 yo and loves to play around with engines. Up until now he has been rebuilding lawn mower engines, old stationary engines etc. He comes and helps out with the senator sometimes and is quite a smart kid.
Anyhow he has decided after mucking around with my car he wants to rebuild a V8, at first he was looking at buying a clapped out 308 but they are hard to come by. Anyhow I have decide to sell him my original 5L out of the Senator. Pretty much it will never ever go back into it, and rather than gather dust under my bench, I would much prefer it went to a young guy to learn and practice on. And if i ever wanted to I could buy it back.
It was running when it was pulled out, so its more about freshening it up, he doesn’t have a lot of $$ to spend and isn’t chasing big HP (yet anyways). So its more about stripping it down, learning what all the parts do, cleaning them up and putting it back together. He eventually wants to build himself a HQ ute, and wants to drop this engine into it. Not sure if its worth him maybe putting a different manifold and quad throttle body on it, or stick with the bananas?
Also he is keen to buy a book or video to help him, anyone got or used this?
March 20, 2017 at 7:11 pm #22087Freshen it up.
Flattops. 10:1 and a 286 cam wth bannas.
March 20, 2017 at 7:22 pm #22088
VRSenator065Participant- Adelaide SA
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Posts: 5 777Cheers Cav, nothing else?
March 20, 2017 at 7:37 pm #22089
Judge1 FrazerParticipant- new zealand
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Posts: 775hey gary thats a good book to learn of there is another one i’ll have a look for it , will be a good for the young fella, once he has done that he can see how turbos and superchargers work
March 20, 2017 at 8:21 pm #22090
VRSenator065Participant- Adelaide SA
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Posts: 5 777Cheers, yea he is a really nice young lad, I have given him a pirate copy of my CAD and he has become bloody good at it, also given him some lessons on my lathe. So will be nice to see how he goes with it. I reckon I might buy him that book to go with the engine.
This is the mower he just did, got the new decal made, rebuilt the whole thing. Pretty cool I reckon
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March 20, 2017 at 8:22 pm #22092
VRSenator065Participant- Adelaide SA
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Posts: 5 777Btw he will have to find someone else to teach him about turbos and blowers, that’s black magic to me…
March 20, 2017 at 10:28 pm #22093
exec24Participant- 2004 VY S2 Berlina 1996 VS 5L Sedan
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Posts: 435ive got that book, found it to be a pretty decent read, some info seemed a bit dated but helped me out here and there
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March 21, 2017 at 10:13 am #22096There’s also an engine blueprinting book I bought a few years back that has good general information in it. I’ll try and get the name of it at home.
March 21, 2017 at 12:13 pm #22098
VRSenator065Participant- Adelaide SA
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Posts: 5 777Thanks all, any info appreciated.
March 21, 2017 at 4:11 pm #22099An easy google search found the book: “The Step-by-Step Guide to Enginer Blueprinting” by Rick Voegelin
Might be helpful for more in-depth discussion on general engine principles, rather than specifically the HV8. Still a good read (I remember learning about piston gas ports on this when it came out, for example).
March 21, 2017 at 4:40 pm #22100
VRSenator065Participant- Adelaide SA
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Posts: 5 777Just don’t want to overwhelm him given he is 11 that’s my only concern if ya se what i mean. I have loaned him a heap of my old engine/tuning books, but I think they sort of went over his head. I am more after any advice/info on more basic rebuild step by step stuff. Then whilst he is doing that we can chat about the principals if you see what i mean.
March 21, 2017 at 6:06 pm #22101
ImmortalityParticipant- 97 HSV Senator 185i 02 VX L67 Calais
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Posts: 535Freshen it up. Flattops. 10:1 and a 286 cam wth bannas.
Yuk. wrong manifold for that cam. Will choke it just as it really starts to come on.
March 21, 2017 at 7:00 pm #22103
VRSenator065Participant- Adelaide SA
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Posts: 5 777Sort of want to get him vibed up with how it looks too, thats why i was thinking new manifold and quad throttle body.
March 21, 2017 at 7:19 pm #22107
Judge1 FrazerParticipant- new zealand
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Posts: 775March 21, 2017 at 9:47 pm #22117AV8 is pretty cool reading with couple of guys doing home rebuilds on humble ol’ $50 red 253.
Thing about efi 5l is need bump up the compression with flat tops + small cam & do the required oil mods…attend to those 2 issues can leave the rest standard,just reco.
That way down line if wanting more fast wont need to pull engine down…besides once learn all oil mods you’ll either develop the ol’ 5 litre fetish or hate them.
March 22, 2017 at 6:04 am #22121Freshen it up. Flattops. 10:1 and a 286 cam wth bannas.
Yuk. wrong manifold for that cam. Will choke it just as it really starts to come on.
It will still go great and sound good whilst maintaing a “budget”.
My mate had above combo, but used solid lifters instead it had absolutely no issues smashing tires in 3rd gear, would sometimes even grab 4th.
March 22, 2017 at 11:27 am #22123
VRSenator065Participant- Adelaide SA
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Posts: 5 777Great info guys, will go looking for those books.
March 23, 2017 at 10:42 am #22129I started in a neighbours Shed when I was around 12>13, it led to a lifelong obsession with cars, props for helping the young fella out Gary!
March 23, 2017 at 12:33 pm #22133
VRSenator065Participant- Adelaide SA
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Posts: 5 777Cheers Ian, it is nice to think us old farts can pass on some of the passion.
March 23, 2017 at 12:41 pm #22134Some of the best and worst times of my life have been in under and around cars, it’s character building as nothing is handed to you!
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